Rob Chartrand (00:02.202)
Well, hey, we are just so excited to have on the Church in the North podcast, Nigel Paul. He is the founder and director of MoveIn Canada and beyond. Nigel, welcome to Church in the North.
Nigel Paul (00:14.26)
Hey, it is so good to be with you. I ended up chatting with you before this hitting the record button was such a treat and I'm just so thrilled this podcast. God has raised it up for the Church of Canada and beyond and it's such a privilege to be here.
Rob Chartrand (00:32.666)
Well, thanks so much. And yeah, it was great chatting beforehand. We have a lot in common, a lot of people in common that we know. yeah. So let's talk about MoveIn. Some of our listeners will be unfamiliar with MoveIn, which is surprising to me. I, I'm, maybe it's because I'm from the GTA and I know so much about you guys, but I talk to people like, have you heard of MoveIn? They're like, no. I'm like, okay, we gotta talk about that. So give us a quick snapshot. What's the idea behind MoveIn?
Nigel Paul (00:39.731)
That's right. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (00:51.804)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (01:00.497)
Yeah, well, just in terms of has anyone heard of it, I think we go through waves. We when we started it, it went viral in the Toronto area and suddenly everyone had heard about it. So I guess we got a lot of free marketing there. A lot of guerrilla marketing happened. And then Francis Chan picked up on on it and specifically the wedding that my wife and I had a crazy wedding. Maybe we'll get into that. But
Rob Chartrand (01:18.351)
Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (01:26.948)
Yeah. Yeah, well, maybe we can put a link in the notes too.
Nigel Paul (01:30.803)
Yeah, yeah. So he made a video that we were featured in and it got hundreds of thousands of views. So that gave us another kind of second wind of awareness globally and helped fuel our movement. But yeah, but I'm, you know, we're always focused on the next generation. And I, the more 20 year olds in particular, who know about move in as an option for their journey, the better. So what is move in? It is a movement of regular people.
who have done something that's really counter to what we naturally do as human beings. not even as believers, but as human beings, we naturally want to move up in the world. And I really relate to that. But move in as a movement, moving down in the world. We are looking for high needs communities and saying, if these communities are full of need, which in some ways every community is, but
Rob Chartrand (02:20.752)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (02:30.673)
You know, there are some neighborhoods in all of our cities that clearly have more economic needs, more family needs, more opportunities to lift up children and families and others. And so what if, what if instead of moving into the nicest neighborhood we could afford, which is what we, what we're kind of inclined to do as human beings. And I am, I know that. What if we instead did the opposite and moved into
Rob Chartrand (02:54.255)
Mm
Nigel Paul (03:00.435)
the highest needs community we could find. So that's what Move -In is all about. And yeah, it started 15 years ago. We'll probably get into the story, but today we're all around the world and Canada is still from coast to coast, the country and the world with the most Move -In teams in it. 51 teams in Canada in 19 cities across Canada. So yeah, we're living in high needs communities on purpose prayerfully.
Rob Chartrand (03:23.46)
Hmm. Hmm.
Nigel Paul (03:30.648)
and trying to be available, playing in God's hands for the people in these communities.
Rob Chartrand (03:40.56)
Yeah, and I think I heard you say 14 countries around the world as well.
Nigel Paul (03:43.731)
Yeah, that's right. 14 and counting. Yeah, so there's a lot of stories there.
Rob Chartrand (03:50.224)
Crazy, crazy, yeah. So let's go back to the beginning then. How did moving get started? What's its genesis?
Nigel Paul (03:57.235)
Yeah, well I'm always amazed that God used the broken clay pot that I am to start it because also I often think of myself looking in from the outside at what God has done and you know 15 years ago I was 27 turning 28 that makes me 43 now and so you know I was in my late 20s and I had a
Rob Chartrand (04:10.327)
Mm
Nigel Paul (04:26.259)
passion as I do today for global mission, to say, you know, one of the best things we can do for our own vibrancy in Canada, as the church in Canada, is to also be passionate about global mission, because it makes us the opposite of Insular. It makes us a sending church, sending across the street, sending across our cities, across the country, and across the world, being that kind of a church. And I, I, you know,
Rob Chartrand (04:44.781)
Mm
Nigel Paul (04:55.855)
specifically was called by the Lord to raise up people to think about the world outside of the borders of Canada and especially the unreached world. You know, more than two billion people don't have a friend who's a believer who could share the good news with them. you know, raising up people to think about people like that and to consider going. And so I was an unofficial mobilizer for countless
Rob Chartrand (05:13.124)
Hmm. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (05:26.251)
global mission organizations in Canada and I loved it, but it just became so evident what a tiny, tiny percentage of people will quit their job, raise support, and become a traditional missionary. It might be one in a thousand people. And I just thought, okay, that's amazing, those who do that. And so I just completely shifted gears and I said,
what could I do for the other 999? And so the Lord gave me a vision to design something for regular people. And we like to think of ourselves as a movement that takes the rejects that nobody else wants. you know, that we're a movement of broken people. And I'm proud to identify that way myself. And you know,
Rob Chartrand (06:01.221)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (06:23.699)
to not ask people to quit their job and raise support. Or rather to not ask everyone to do that because only one in a thousand will do that. But rather, yeah, so the Lord gave me a vision in conjunction with that, that beating heart of, you know, where are the unreached? Where are the very poor? The cities of Canada and the world are growing. And by the way, something interesting happened in about 2005.
globally where more people for the first time in in history lived in cities than outside of cities. So with growing cities, with unreached people moving into Canada and with generational poverty and other forms of economic poverty, know, those things and going to my peers and saying, hey, what can we do?
Rob Chartrand (06:53.125)
Mm
Rob Chartrand (07:02.104)
Right. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (07:20.915)
and having something different than quite your job, raise support and go overseas, which I still love. But what does God want to do with the other 999? So move in, God raised up for everyone else to consider. And all it takes is physically, and it is still hard. It's still really against the grain. It's still something that...
it just isn't natural, which is to relocate into a very high needs community. And after that, to pray, to pray as a team of regular people and see what God does. And God has done amazing things. So yeah, that gives you bit of an idea.
Rob Chartrand (08:02.469)
Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (08:08.108)
So, so yeah, so in the early days, like in the skunk works moment, when you're putting this thing together, did you first like, I'm going to launch my own movement experience and do it myself and then replicated or did you think, let's design this thing and then launch a whole bunch at the same time? How did, how did that get?
Nigel Paul (08:13.884)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (08:25.299)
Yeah, great question. You know what, it is more of the latter and the reason is, the reason is I had already been so rocked by God in good ways in different missional environments. So, you know, I even was born in the mission field. But as I became an adult, the Lord gave me experiences of my own. Like I went on the OM ship, Logos 2 in 2004.
which now is 20 years ago, hard to believe. But living on that ship with 200 believers from around the world, praying hours and hours a week, serving the Lord, seeing people come to Christ, seeing people growing incredibly, just was amazing and wonderful for me. And then I had the huge privilege of being the traveling assistant to the founder of OM, Operation Mobilization, named George Berwer. So in 2006, 2007, for one year,
Rob Chartrand (09:20.644)
Hmm. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (09:25.139)
I carried his bags in 20 countries, six continents, 300 meetings. And again, it just rocked my world. And so after these experiences, just, and also just realizing, yes, we have so many needs in Canada, there's no question. And I've devoted perhaps most of my life to those needs.
Rob Chartrand (09:34.031)
Hmm. Wow.
Nigel Paul (09:54.333)
But we also have to look beyond the borders of our country and realize that a lot of our problems, our first world problems, you know, even though we have so many challenges in the church in Canada, and we were talking about that earlier Rob, prior to this podcast, we have so many, and at the same time, we're spoiled compared to the church in Afghanistan or Niger or Saudi Arabia. And so,
for us to lift our eyes globally and to say, can we do as the Church of Canada to make a difference in the world? And God has used the Church in Canada to do amazing things around the world over the last couple of hundred years. So yeah, so when it started, I had already been bitten by the mission bug, you could say, and had a burning passion that we...
Rob Chartrand (10:37.466)
Hmm.
Rob Chartrand (10:45.742)
Yeah, yeah.
Nigel Paul (10:49.477)
we needed to do more and that if we did, it would even bless the church in Canada. And so right off the bat, was not about me doing something, but about me saying, okay, I'm okay. I'm an average regular guy, but let me raise up. And actually the Lord gave us this word right off the bat, thousands. You know, our vision is to see thousands of regular believers prayerfully moving in.
Rob Chartrand (11:14.757)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (11:19.059)
among the unreached urban poor. And we have about 400 today, all time. We've seen 1 ,300 people raised up for an average of three years each living in these communities, praying weekly. It's formative, average age, mid -20s. And if you add it all up, those 1 ,300 people have given 3 ,900 years of their lives to living prayerfully among the unreached urban poor.
Yeah, but I hope we're just getting started.
Rob Chartrand (11:49.06)
Yeah. So did you put an ad in a newspaper or just start a website and hope somebody showed up? Or did you have a group of people that you already knew? How did you pass on this idea and then get buy -in from people to do this in those early days?
Nigel Paul (11:56.207)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (12:00.348)
Yeah, such.
Nigel Paul (12:06.643)
Such a great question. So I did a degree in internet business at the University of Waterloo, believe it or not, 20 years ago. So that was like four years after Google started. It was four years before Facebook started. And so it was pretty early in the internet growth. And so I was already an internet guy. And so that helped when the Lord gave me this vision to do some viral stuff online.
Rob Chartrand (12:19.012)
Hmm.
Rob Chartrand (12:24.24)
Crazy,
Nigel Paul (12:36.103)
But there were a couple of catalysts. So Charles Price, you've probably heard of him, senior pastor of the People's Church in Toronto for many years. He and I were meeting. We had a lot in common in terms of we had both lived in Southern Africa at different points in our lives. We both were close friends with George Verwerer, the founder of Operation Mobilization. We both were born into the Plymouth Brethren. We're both now more multi -denominational.
We just had a lot in common. So we were meeting regularly and he really encouraged me as the Lord was giving me this vision and I was meeting with him and he was encouraging me to do it, to go for it. And he stuck his neck out when we needed to. So I was meeting with people one at a time, peers, 20 something year olds, one at a time for coffee and lunch. And actually it started to resonate because I wasn't telling them to quit their job and raise support.
but just to relocate into a high -needs community. Some of them started to do it, so it started to gain steam, but I was still meeting with people one at a time, and then I thought, what if I organized an event, maybe 30 or 40 people? I was initially thinking a side room and a church, and it might have been, and then I thought, well, maybe it's a bit of a big church, to say the least, the people's church. It's, well.
Rob Chartrand (13:37.86)
Hmm. Hmm.
Nigel Paul (13:58.865)
You know about it Rob, it's one of the largest churches in Toronto. And so maybe I was dreaming too big, but I thought maybe this church would be good and maybe a side room. But then we just said, no, let's go for it. So Charles got behind me, the staff of People's Church got behind me. A lot of people caught wind of it. So many people were encouraging me. Sure, there were some people who thought it was crazy and all that, but we picked a a strategic date.
So the Lord gave me this vision for an event in the beginning of 2009 and then I thought when would be a good time to do this and somebody suggested right after exams, university exams, as people are thinking about their summer and then their year ahead. And so I chose the date, May 8 and 9, 2009. And there were 12 weeks to go until this would happen. And so, you know, we used Facebook aggressively.
Rob Chartrand (14:41.498)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (14:56.371)
Those were the days when you'd invite someone to an event and they'd be like, man, somebody invited me to something. Let me check my calendar. So we used the virality of all of it. And you know, it struck a nerve. And honestly, within months, hundreds of thousands of people I estimate in Ontario in particular had heard about this. And so this event that initially I was thinking 30 or 40 people, 600 people came, most of them in their 20s.
Rob Chartrand (14:57.102)
Hmm. Wow.
Rob Chartrand (15:02.65)
Totally. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (15:25.811)
to the People's Church on the Friday night. And that night, and it was crazy. Like it was chaos, but the Holy Spirit, I sometimes call it Holy Spirit chaos because the Lord was in it. And, you know, it was scheduled from 7 p to 10 p But we went until 11, 20 p And it was crazy. it was an emotional roller coaster for me. By the way, Charles Price said it was equal to the most exciting night of his life, just sitting in the audience that night.
Rob Chartrand (15:55.162)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (15:55.749)
And I said to everybody in the audience as I was speaking, and I joked that it was so chaotic that I was the speaker, the MC, and the usher. So I said to everybody that night, know, tomorrow is the second and final day of this event. You know, we've had tonight, but tomorrow we have all day. But it's only for those of you seriously considering actually relocating.
into one of these neighborhoods we've identified, which are the highest needs in all of the city and beyond. And so the next day, 120 people came back. We interviewed every single one of them one by one through 20 people that I asked to interview people. And, you know, at the end of that day, 40 people said, yes, I will pray weekly until God makes it clear about whether I should move in. We surrounded those people.
Rob Chartrand (16:23.92)
Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (16:33.914)
Wow.
Nigel Paul (16:51.603)
And you know what? By the end of that summer, we had eight teams in eight different Hainese communities and Charles Price's two daughters even were among them. so we had about 40 or so people in the fall of 2009, eight teams, and it just, God bless this. And it was crazy. It was, I didn't know what I was doing.
The Lord just, you he equipped us. And so the next year we doubled 15 teams the year after that 25 teams, 35, 45, 55. So today we're 85 teams in 45 cities in 14 countries with 30 staff. And we know the names we estimate of 20 ,000 people one by one and the high needs communities that we live in. yeah, God has done an amazing thing.
Rob Chartrand (17:29.166)
Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (17:48.272)
Yeah, I mean, I was sharing before on the podcast before we started recording that we have some mutual friends who are doing move in, like our the late Will Sherman and of course, Harriet and you know, I've got some people there that are really engaged and it's just been a transformative experience. You know, it's interesting, like you guys started 2009, we planted our church 2010. And right from when we started, we were thinking,
Nigel Paul (17:56.401)
Mm.
That's right.
Nigel Paul (18:04.412)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (18:12.604)
nice.
Rob Chartrand (18:16.282)
I wonder if we wanna do some move in patches here, which is crazy, it was viral even after that one year and we'd heard about it all the way in Edmonton.
Nigel Paul (18:17.819)
Yeah. Yeah, amen.
Yeah, that's right. yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And we have teams in Edmonton and across Canada from Vancouver to Halifax. So yeah, it's pretty neat. Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (18:34.562)
So let's drill down a little bit more on move -in. What kinds of communities are ideal for a move -in team? Let's start there.
Nigel Paul (18:44.049)
Yeah, yeah. So we're very strict. that's I was saying to you earlier, personally, that when move in started, the Lord broke my heart for every neighborhood in Canada and the world. Every neighborhood desperately needs the Lord, you know, as we sing in that hymn, I need the every hour. that those are those that's those of us who are believers. Like if we desperately need the Lord, who doesn't? And the answer is nobody. Everybody desperately needs the Lord. And so
I thought, should we go into every kind of neighborhood? And the Lord said, no, you are a limited part, very limited part of what I want to do. And you need to stay focused on the specific calling I've given you, which is to be unreached urban poor. So those are the three words that keep us focused. So we only move in.
to communities that are all three of those things, unreached, urban, and poor. So unreached would be unreached people groups. And there are different definitions, but essentially it's groups of people who have had almost no exposure to the gospel. Others define it as groups of people with less than 0 .5 % of believers among them. So Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and other people groups would
Rob Chartrand (20:06.35)
Wait, there are people in Canada who haven't heard the gospel?
Nigel Paul (20:07.717)
Yeah, you know what's okay. So here's one of the most encouraging pictures for me. So say there's a newcomer from Saudi Arabia. It's a lady and she's wearing a niqab, which is not just a hijab, but it's covering her face. And you know, if we have, if we don't have God's heart, we could look at her and say,
You know, this is really different than what I grew up with. And is this, you know, what, what is Canada looking like? And we can have different thoughts if we don't have God's heart. But you know, it's neat. If we have God's heart, if we see that lady walking down the sidewalk in our neighborhood, we might say, wow.
What a huge privilege it is for me to pray in person for somebody whose family line may have not known a single believer.
who loves the Lord for a thousand years and I get to pray for her and I might even get to show God's love to her in a kind gesture or maybe, you know, so that's, so to answer your question, you know, when movement started in 2009, for example, there were half a million Muslims in the city of Toronto and today I think it's closer to a million.
Rob Chartrand (21:21.626)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (21:47.879)
And you know, we love living in Muslim communities and move in and we have that heart of, wow, God has such a loving, beating heart for unreached people, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and other Sikhs and others who may not have known somebody who loves Jesus their whole lives. So, yeah.
Rob Chartrand (21:56.133)
Hmm.
Rob Chartrand (22:11.822)
Hmm. Yeah.
Can you turn on on your sidebar? There's a button that says echo cancellation. I was hearing a bit of a ring ring there
Nigel Paul (22:21.627)
Yeah, yeah, let me click that. it does say this can't be changed while recording. So do you want to pause it and then pick it back up?
Rob Chartrand (22:31.248)
Nigel Paul (22:33.256)
Maybe not.
Rob Chartrand (22:35.97)
Yeah, the ring stopped now. So I don't know if do you have a speaker that's playing as well as your earphones? Is it just your earphones?
Nigel Paul (22:40.183)
No, no, it's just my earphones. Yeah, sorry about that.
Rob Chartrand (22:43.984)
Okay, let's keep going. It doesn't seem to be doesn't seem to be going now. So yeah. All right. No, I don't think so. It's it I've never had that happen before. So okay, so 23 I'll just mark that down for for our producer there.
Nigel Paul (22:49.093)
Okay, yeah, I was speaking a bit loudly that might have been it, but...
Nigel Paul (22:57.126)
Okay.
Nigel Paul (23:03.921)
Yeah, yeah, do it.
Rob Chartrand (23:07.054)
Okay, so what is required of a move -in team? Like, what are their rhythms, what are their practices that they're supposed to be doing?
Nigel Paul (23:11.73)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (23:15.271)
That is a great question and that takes us back to the beginning as well because I noticed, you know, as human beings, we tend to make things more bureaucratic as things go along, And I noticed, and we also start to do things that may not be effective. So I noticed when move in, before move in started, that there was quite a lot of training happening, but I found it a bit concerning that
most of the people getting trained didn't end up, didn't go on to do what they were trained for. And so I felt like the Lord impressed on my heart and you know, and I'm also a serial entrepreneur and kind of a throw people in the deep end kind of a person. And so I thought we will not do any training at all until people move in. And after they move in, we will, we will.
we will help them grow. We will provide resources. We will connect people. and I mean, I'm encouraged to say, proud to say that move -inners are part of all kinds of things across Canada. If somebody's putting on a seminar, good chances a move -inner will show up. But I didn't want people to get trained who weren't gonna do things. And so we just flipped that on its head and we said, we're not gonna train at all. And to this day, we don't.
We don't train until after somebody moves in. And the other neat thing about that is everybody we're training is already doing, right? So we're already helping them be more effective. So all that to say, we have a shockingly short list of requirements in movement. In fact, apart from being a believer, so that's, you could say that's a requirement.
Rob Chartrand (24:47.204)
Okay.
Nigel Paul (25:10.771)
But by the way, you can be a really broken believer because remember we take the other, we take the rejects. We take the other 999. but apart from being a believer, we have two requirements and one of them happens in a day. So that first requirement is to move in to a qualifying. We call them patches, a qualifying patch, but a qualifying neighborhood. So once that's out of the way,
Rob Chartrand (25:35.674)
Hmm. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (25:41.309)
There's one requirement. The only requirement in move in after moving in is to pray weekly with your team of regular people. And you know, when the Lord gave me the vision for move in, he told me, and he has been true to it, that if we pray, he will work. So many amazing things happen when people pray. They draw closer to the Lord. They draw closer.
fellowship together. They get ideas, they get vision. It's a rhythm that returns people to their calling. There's so many things. And so we actually do thousands of different forms of ministry in Move In. And we help people with tutoring kids. We do kids kinds. We do ESL. We help people in very difficult domestic situations.
interact with, we do food bank help, we put our own things on. Like I could go on and on and on and it does, it actually adds up to thousands of different words we could use to describe what we do. But all of it comes out of the prayer. All of it comes out of the prayerful presence of movements. So to answer your question, what are the requirements? After being a believer, after moving in, there's one requirement and it's to pray weekly.
So, yeah.
Rob Chartrand (27:10.264)
Okay. So I had thought, I mean, I don't know where I'd heard it, but that, don't know if you required it, but it was like best practices perhaps to like shop in the place where they live, to eat in the place where they live, recreate in the place where they live, go to church in the place where they live, just so they're very highly incarnational in the community.
Nigel Paul (27:25.169)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (27:32.667)
Yeah, yeah. You know what? I'm glad that was your impression because that is the reality and it comes not out of requirements, but out of passion, prayer, obedience, and core values that we have. So, you know, our distinctives are prayer, presence, unreached, poor, teams of regular people, and making reproducing disciples. So those are our distinctives.
Rob Chartrand (27:40.216)
Yeah, yeah.
Rob Chartrand (27:49.53)
Okay.
Rob Chartrand (28:00.418)
Okay, so, yeah.
Nigel Paul (28:01.539)
And we also have a list of core values. So if you put it together, it results in a lot of things.
Rob Chartrand (28:08.996)
Nice. And so those are are values. Do you train toward those values?
Nigel Paul (28:11.036)
Yeah.
Yes, so after people move in, we have conferences, regional gatherings, resources, Bibles, evangelistic and disciple resources, coaching, but all of it is after people move in. We do coach people who want to move in, right? So we only coach them about moving in, and we only coach them about getting teammates. And sure, we'll start to talk about...
questions they have about reaching people and so on. again, we're pretty radical on that. And we're not trying to ruffle feathers. We're just trying to, we just have found it really effective to help people move in and then to help them to be effective. So, yeah.
Rob Chartrand (29:03.886)
Yeah, well, I love that. There's a book, Scaling Up Excellence, it's a Harvard press book, and they talk about scaling movements and scaling organizations and whatnot. And they say you can choose two type of ways to do it in terms of franchising, for lack of better terms. You can choose the Buddhist way or the Catholic way. And he says that the Catholic way is
Nigel Paul (29:09.906)
Hmm
Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (29:24.827)
Right. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (29:30.161)
Mm.
Rob Chartrand (29:32.886)
everything is exactly the same wherever you create it. So the form is very rigid and you just multiply that form everywhere. Whereas the Buddhist way is it's very nuanced and it takes on like a local expression and it kind of synthesizes or syncretizes with whatever is there, right? And so I love that yours is like you've got a standard. It's a very simple standard, but on the other hand, it allows room for
Nigel Paul (29:35.25)
Right.
Nigel Paul (29:39.858)
Right.
Nigel Paul (29:43.677)
Hmm. Hmm.
Nigel Paul (29:50.705)
Right. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (29:56.893)
Yeah, yeah.
Rob Chartrand (30:01.636)
mission entrepreneurship and mission accommodation to the environment that's going to look a little bit different.
Nigel Paul (30:03.749)
Yeah. You know what you bring up? You bring up such a good point, which is nobody can train somebody to move into an area that that trainer hasn't lived in themselves and in the specifics of that community. Right? So trainers, the problem, you know, there's value in the word, obviously training, but there is a vibe.
Rob Chartrand (30:21.722)
Mm
Nigel Paul (30:33.341)
there's a sense that the trainer knows how to do it and the training needs to learn from the trainer how to do it. So we actually don't even feel that anybody can train somebody to do the best thing in that neighborhood. We would use the word coach. would, you know, there are obviously lessons and principles that can be applied, but we're getting it. We, for our movement, which
you know, which looks more like the other, not the Catholic one, but the other one you described. So we're not Buddhists, but yeah, just the very, yeah, very localized, right? And there's another way to say it, So that's another, another aspect is, know, we, nobody's an expert on a specific patch and nobody will ever become an expert.
Rob Chartrand (31:08.26)
Yeah, the Buddhist one, yeah. No, you're not, but just in the sense of praxis. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nigel Paul (31:31.803)
Everyone needs to remain a learner, realize this is a changing community, and let's learn while doing. Right? So, yeah. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (31:41.005)
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. Love it. Who designed your website, by the way? Are you doing that still? Like you're the internet guy or you've you've you've staffed it out. It's great. I love it.
Nigel Paul (31:48.595)
No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, no, we have, yeah, you know what, thank you. And it was a terrible website for most of our existence. But here's the irony, just a funny thing. I had a degree in internet business and for the first 10 years I said, it's okay that it's a terrible website because we're gonna grow organically on the ground.
And you know, it wasn't, it wasn't the priority. And then finally it's like, okay, we need a new website. And thank you. I agree. The people who did that and I did next to none of it. we also, you know, rebrand, refined our logo and stuff. but yeah, no. And, and, but you know what the organic, organic growth of a movement is the most important thing. And then if you have a good website, that's definitely an asset.
So I'm glad you feel that we do.
Rob Chartrand (32:47.886)
Well, the map feature on the neighborhoods tab is great. mean, that's and its functionality is fantastic.
Nigel Paul (32:49.939)
Yeah, yeah, I know I'm so grateful and we have we have 30 staff now around the world and and a lot of additional volunteers and so I'm proud to say I do a 30th of what is done and it's need to be part of a team and and the body of Christ right so yeah.
Rob Chartrand (33:10.458)
Yeah, you've already alluded to this just when we talked about unreached people groups, but it's not uncommon for patches to be intercultural spaces. And so let's talk about that for a bit. What are some of the challenges and opportunities when you're working in intercultural spaces?
Nigel Paul (33:19.548)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (33:27.761)
Yeah. Well, I think I'm spoiled now because I have a hard time in monocultural spaces. And the reason is I just love intercultural spaces that, you know, I think the best case scenario is, and even theologically, and even if you think about heaven, which is every culture worshiping the land, the best case scenario, which I actually think we should strive towards.
Rob Chartrand (33:38.712)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (33:56.729)
is that we each bring our strengths and we try to leave behind our cultural weaknesses. Right? So if every culture is bringing their strength, wow, that's the best case scenario. If you have a monocultural situation, you know, praise the Lord for those working in those spaces. But one of the hard things about that is you've got some amazing strengths and you've got some really pronounced weaknesses, right?
Rob Chartrand (34:10.245)
Mm
Rob Chartrand (34:25.072)
Mm
Nigel Paul (34:25.563)
And so, yeah, I just view it, I guess I'm also really Canadian, right? So where we just really appreciate diversity of culture in Canada. And I actually think that's a really biblical, heaven -bound value. So yeah, what are the challenges? The challenges are you have way more weaknesses, right?
Rob Chartrand (34:53.388)
Mm Yeah.
Nigel Paul (34:53.915)
you're dealing with way more weaknesses. The opportunity is you're dealing with way more strengths. The other thing we value in move -in is brokenness. you know, God's strength is made perfect in our weakness. When we recognize our brokenness and when we recognize our weakness, we need God more, we recognize our need for God more, and God can work more.
So there's so much opportunity. mean, it's also, by the way, I just want to bless those listening, especially the Canadians and say, you know, I think Canada might be the most successful multicultural, quote unquote, experiment in the world. That's amazing. And what does that mean for us as the Canadian church in
Rob Chartrand (35:44.496)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (35:51.279)
what contributions we can make around the world. It's no surprise that Canadians have been peacemakers around the world, that Canadians are often very strong at international diplomacy, know, things like that. And if we bring those things to the global church and the global mission field, those are gifts that we can bring. And they come out of this amazing, positive, diverse reality.
that we live in in Canada. So yes, there are challenges. We have more weaknesses that we're dealing with. We have more potential misunderstandings. We have so many things to learn. Like we have enough things to learn in one culture, let alone to learn honestly up to a thousand different cultures. Imagine all the nuances and all the potentials for misunderstanding. But the opportunities are practicing for heaven.
Rob Chartrand (36:44.036)
Right, right.
Nigel Paul (36:47.237)
which is God's vision of where we will end up in the most intercultural possible situation, worshiping the lamb on the throne. So that's my attitude about it. And I am spoiled now that when I go in monocultural places, I'm like, I need to get back to a multicultural because I feel fuller. I feel fuller and more gratified and satisfied in multiple.
Rob Chartrand (36:56.399)
Hmm.
Rob Chartrand (37:06.298)
Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (37:14.606)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I can imagine that can be scary for some because they haven't experienced it, right? Like it's a, because the other is, is, you know, is a stranger and the other we don't know enough to be able to relate. What's, what's the posture you think that's going to be most helpful for somebody maybe just beginning to dip their toes in the water of intercultural spaces?
Nigel Paul (37:19.409)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.
Nigel Paul (37:41.553)
Yeah, let me zoom out a bit and say, you know, there are pros and cons to pluralism. So pluralism is where we celebrate everything, right? The pros are we are open and teachable and, you know, really positively inclined towards differences. The cons are we can forget about the exclusivity of Christ, about, you know,
Nigel Paul (38:13.608)
the fact that our kids are so steeped in pluralism that they may lose their way in terms of there are right and wrong things in the world, right? And so, yeah, for those listening, I just want to say, you know, there are pros and cons to pluralism. And we're seeing those in Canada. But yeah, to answer your question, to somebody starting on the journey of interculturalism,
Rob Chartrand (38:24.804)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Nigel Paul (38:40.465)
You know, just to picture heaven, picture God's vision for where we end up and start with that and say, if that is what God wants, if God wants to be worshiped by every nation, tribe and tongue, then let's be moving in that direction. And there will be challenges along the way. you know, somebody said there's no better.
there's different and that's usually right. We are really biased for what we're familiar with. It's not scary. We've been taught that it's the right way oftentimes. So we do need to become open and, you know, be good listeners. And actually this is where we can learn from Gen Z. Gen Z...
Rob Chartrand (39:19.17)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (39:36.954)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (39:41.277)
Somebody has noticed that Gen Z is naturally much stronger at this than previous generations. So for example, even a Gen X, which is younger than a boomer, I'm on the edge of, I'm a millennial but barely. Even at.
Rob Chartrand (39:54.426)
Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (40:06.372)
Yeah, I'm a Gen Xer.
Nigel Paul (40:07.535)
Okay, yeah, so even a Gen X could make this mistake when they see somebody. They say, where are you from? To somebody in Canada, and they mean, you know, they notice they might be from India or something. So they say, where are you from? Right off the bat, that's the wrong question, because it makes the other person feel a bit othered. It makes them feel already different than the person asking the question. And so
And then we make another mistake. they might say, you know, was born in India. And then we might, and by the way, even I had to learn some of these things because Gen Z is even the best. The 20 year olds are so good at this. They don't do what we older generations do. So what we do is we say, I have a friend from India and I work with a guy from India and I like food from India.
Rob Chartrand (41:01.825)
Hehehehehe
Nigel Paul (41:05.009)
Those are really boomer things to say. And, you know, we think we're bridging, we're making bridges with all those things. But the other person might feel like we're reinforcing how they're different because you're trying to think of ways you can relate to that instead of just letting them say what they want to say.
Rob Chartrand (41:27.493)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (41:32.507)
Right? So Gen Z is really good at letting people say whatever they want to say. So you start with, so let's say your Uber driver is from India, but you don't know if he's from India, Pakistan, or where he's from. A Gen Z rider would say, Hey, how's your day going? And they would say, I'm not getting many rides today. And then the Gen Z would say, man, must be hard being an Uber driver sometimes. And then the, end.
the driver might say something that alludes to something from his culture and still the Gen Z won't jump on that. They'll say, yeah, and then slowly whatever somebody wants to say, they'll say it without feeling like they were pressured to say it, without feeling othered in the whole process. So anyway, there is a lot to learn. There's a lot to learn, but let me, I guess my singular point here is we can really learn from Gen Z.
Rob Chartrand (42:24.484)
Hmm. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (42:31.987)
So actually, when in doubt, copy Gen Z people. And by the way, what I mean by Gen Z are basically 20 -year -olds, right? So copy Gen Z people. Yeah, yeah. So copy Gen Z people who, or Gen Zed, sorry for my Americanized English, but copy Gen Zed people who you notice are really strong with others. So yeah.
Rob Chartrand (42:41.86)
Yeah, Older youth and younger young adults. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (43:00.154)
Yeah. Well, mean, our Gen Z generation, they're the most ethnically diverse generation in Canadian history. They're more accustomed to difference than anyone else. And you're right. mean, the danger of that is that they move into ideological pluralism, which basically says all beliefs are basically the same and there's no difference. you know, and that's a downside, right?
Nigel Paul (43:04.977)
Yeah.
Yeah. yeah. No, it's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (43:24.849)
Right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (43:30.288)
or the understanding that all cultures are good. But we know that every culture is beautiful, but every culture is also broken, including mine. My culture is broken.
Nigel Paul (43:40.967)
Yeah. yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I actually relate in some ways most to Southern African culture. And so I, because I was born there and so I just get constantly offended by, by people who are overly focused on time because, you know, anyway, I don't know if we wanted to get into that, but in other words, we can think, well, I will say this, let's say,
Rob Chartrand (43:51.169)
Mm. Mm.
Rob Chartrand (44:02.84)
Okay. Okay.
Nigel Paul (44:10.993)
Let's say we think you should be on time. And so you are on time for a meeting, but you judge those who are late, who might've had a different value to show kindness to somebody on the way, to stop and be present with them and be late. And you're judging them about how they're five minutes late. Here's the other interesting thing. The person is five minutes late.
Rob Chartrand (44:15.556)
Mm -hmm.
Nigel Paul (44:37.483)
is much more likely to stay an extra half hour afterwards giving you that time. So we're judging them for taking away five minutes of my time on the front end without noticing they're generously giving us half an hour on the back end. And so, yeah, but all of us need to realize, you know, but you're right, you know, there are pros and cons to every culture. Every cultural needs some level of redemption. I would say most
Most things aren't good or bad, they're different. But there are a few bad things about every culture. And frankly, I just identified one we may not have noticed about our value of time in Western culture, which can actually do more harm than good. yeah, yeah. And you know what? There's so many good things. And I believe that when we bring
Rob Chartrand (45:10.765)
Mm
Rob Chartrand (45:28.782)
Yeah, but we are efficient.
Nigel Paul (45:36.497)
Like I said before, all of us bring our best, we get the best outcome. Right? So it's, that's the best case scenario. So.
Rob Chartrand (45:41.722)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rob Chartrand (45:46.33)
So why don't you tell us a little bit about your own neighborhood? Tell us about your patch, where you live. What do you love about it?
Nigel Paul (45:48.787)
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to tell you in a creative way by describing my patch on our wedding day. How does that sound? OK. So I live in a 400 by 400 meter area. And in that area, which is the size of a large church parking lot, are four 25 story high rise buildings with
up to a thousand people in each building and most of those almost four thousand people are newcomers to Canada and specifically my patch is called is part of Little Bangladesh in East Toronto. So, well it is a bit of a story so I don't need to tell it unless you want to hear the wedding story otherwise okay we'll pop that up so I won't tell that story now so but
Rob Chartrand (46:40.346)
We'll pop up the video. We'll pop up the video because it's yeah. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (46:45.939)
Yeah, I will say that on my wedding day, my wife and I got married in this neighborhood. We had 1200 people come to our wedding and it was just an amazing crowd. Maybe it looked a bit like that crowd in heaven, right? With people from so many different backgrounds, so many we invited people to wear colorful clothes that they love to wear and folks did that. And so we...
you know, for wedding favors, had a table covered in Bibles with 40 different languages. And our neighbors cleaned it. They swept it clean. People took the Bible for the first time in their lives in their own language. And so, yeah, we do have the subway train going by every two and a half minutes loudly. You know, there have been...
Gang issues in the past, very little now, so that's great. But yeah, just an amazing, rich community. I took my two boys to the park across the road yesterday and there was a birthday party for an Afghan young girl in the community and about 20 new newcomers from Afghanistan were celebrating her birthday and one of them walked over and handed
my two boys and I a plate of cake. And you know that just that's the kind of neighborhood we live in and we love it. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (48:16.346)
Hmm.
Rob Chartrand (48:20.41)
Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And I mean, we'll post the video in the show notes, but I mean, you hosted your wedding twice in one day so that everybody could come. That's crazy. Like that's, that's so good. And you had lived in the community. How many years prior to that?
Nigel Paul (48:28.871)
That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (48:36.659)
Just two years prior, but we've remained, we've remained. And so I've lived, I've lived on this floor, in this building for 15 years. And, you know, got married and now we have two little boys and all they've ever known is living in this building and they love it. So, yeah.
Rob Chartrand (48:39.728)
two years prior. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (48:49.806)
Hmm. Wow.
Rob Chartrand (48:58.224)
Hmm. Now it's the challenge of leading a movement and being part of the leadership of a movement is, mean, you're trying to live it out yourself in your own kingdom of expression in your neighborhood. But on the other hand, you know, you're flying at 30 ,000 feet or whatever and looking down at these organizations. So there's this tension, right? This tension in leading a movement like Move In and yet still trying to stay invested in your own community. Is that a challenge for you?
Nigel Paul (49:02.588)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (49:07.164)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (49:12.252)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (49:22.131)
Yeah, it is. So all those levels, there's actually two more levels that I navigated. So when I was single, I set up a 12 bed apartment for young men, even though I was the young man, I was 20, 27, 28. And so that was another thing. And as if that wasn't enough, just felt the Lord wanted us to plant a small church too. I, you know, there were four levels.
Rob Chartrand (49:40.228)
Wow.
Nigel Paul (49:51.153)
Right? It was neighbor, you could even say five if you count your family, right? So family, neighbor, discipleship center. And I have adjourned that in the last few years, just with the new stage of life I'm in with the family. But, you know, discipleship apartment, church plant, and then movement, global. Well, it was a national movement. Now it's a global movement. It is hard.
I would say it's a lot harder leading the movement than being present locally. At the same time, it takes constant intentionality. And I've always said I'm glad this is a movement for regular people because I'm a really regular guy. I'm not an amazing evangelist.
I'm not wired to be a teacher. I'm wired to be a mobilizer. But even in leading people to Christ, God uses that. So by organizing the church plan with people with the gift of evangelism in it, I can help make something where people come to Christ. And I've even had, which I'm totally unworthy of, but I've even had the privilege of leading.
few people to Christ and last year had the huge privilege of baptizing a young man from Afghanistan in Lake Ontario. But I'm a regular guy and so that's a really good question Rob. Like how do you do it? And it's very hard. Like in the pandemic it was even harder and I'm sure almost everyone can relate to that. But yeah it takes constant intentionality is the short answer and I often fail
Rob Chartrand (51:24.9)
Hmm. Hmm.
Nigel Paul (51:47.673)
And to be honest, if I'm going to fail, it's going to be more often in the neighborhood than with the movement. Actually, maybe not, because I'm good at failing in many ways. I don't think anyone listening is, but I have a PhD in failure. yeah, but yeah, it takes constantly getting back on the wagon and recommitting to the Lord in every aspect of falling.
Rob Chartrand (52:17.988)
Yeah. Well, you have a PhD in failure, but you work in the University of Grace. So you're good. You're good. So, okay. So, talk to us about the fruit that you're seeing. Maybe, maybe talk about the, you shared about what you're seeing on the ground, within your neighborhood. I mean, with the organization across, Canada and across the world, what are you celebrating?
Nigel Paul (52:21.647)
Amen, amen, amen. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (52:42.097)
Yeah.
Nigel Paul (52:47.699)
You know, one really big bright spot during the pandemic, which was very hard in many ways. Yeah. Yeah. And I, unfortunately I feel things. So feeling 400 move inners, going through that was hard. those listening can really relate pastors for their churches and so on, but a big bright spot in the pandemic.
Rob Chartrand (52:54.614)
I can imagine an incarnational movement requires touch.
Rob Chartrand (53:08.848)
Hmm. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (53:17.267)
was a few of our fields took off and flourished during the pandemic. An interesting perspective, and we actually aren't yet in Africa, but just to give some perspective from the continent of Africa. Somebody said in some parts of Africa during the pandemic, COVID was disease number 20.
Rob Chartrand (53:46.158)
Right, yeah, yeah.
Nigel Paul (53:46.643)
Right? So it's like, Hey, this isn't, this isn't a big deal. Like it's a deal. It's another disease, but it's disease number 20. right. Exactly. Or even, yeah. So there's so many others. And so, you know, and I think we need to be a little bit humbled by that as Canadians and say, we really
Rob Chartrand (53:57.274)
Yeah, it's not malaria or Ebola. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (54:14.099)
to say it neutrally, we really responded to this, And we should have in many ways, but to put it in perspective, if it was disease number 20 for some parts of the world, it's just cause for humility. And so I say that because in one regions of move in, was...
actually I can't say the actual country for security reasons, but a country in Southeast Asia, it flourished and took off during the pandemic. And it wasn't because of the pandemic. It was despite the pandemic and actually maybe a bit because of it, because, you know, with even more needs, these move -iners who were bringing gifts and bringing life to the community they lived in.
Rob Chartrand (54:45.232)
Mm -hmm.
Nigel Paul (55:09.331)
were that much more welcome, right? And this is in a 100 % unreached people group community. And it flourished, it took off. And so that was an absolute, and it's just kept flourishing ever since. So that's a bright spot that I've celebrated.
Rob Chartrand (55:25.54)
Hmm. Hmm.
Rob Chartrand (55:31.888)
So do any of your move -in patches end up becoming church plants?
Nigel Paul (55:36.591)
Yes, however more commonly is move -inners are really good members of church plants. So a very high percentage of move -inners. Move -inners are much more likely to join a church plant than average and it's because they're missionally inclined to use a fancy word, apostolically inclined. And so we're much more commonly.
Rob Chartrand (55:44.836)
OK.
Rob Chartrand (56:00.698)
Yep, yep.
Nigel Paul (56:05.201)
We have had a few church plants, so even mine, the one that I lead, we've had a few. But more often we're part of a church plant. And so that's neat, because that's part of the wider body of Christ, which is one of our core values. yeah, so a church plant is a different animal. And I have massive respect for pastors.
Rob Chartrand (56:17.498)
Okay.
Rob Chartrand (56:29.818)
Sure.
Nigel Paul (56:34.415)
Every pastor I meet these days, say thank you for being a pastor, especially after the very difficult last few years we've been through. yeah, yeah, it's just so, it's such a full -time thing to be a pastor. so move -inners are generally marketplace people.
We do have some people in full -time ministry, but it's mostly designed for marketplace people. And so they're generally coming alongside those who are called to be pastors and church planters. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (57:07.45)
Hmm.
Rob Chartrand (57:12.74)
Yeah. So let's talk about the future of move in. Where do you see it going from here? What are you hoping and dreaming for?
Nigel Paul (57:17.564)
Yeah.
Yeah. well, I just want to, I'm just thinking of those listening and
I want to start with, you know, we've been through a hard thing, but then I want to just move towards, wow, there's so much exciting stuff coming. So, you know, for the past four and a half years, many of us, including many listening, have been trying to survive, let alone, let alone have all kinds of new vision. Right. And
Rob Chartrand (57:59.726)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (58:01.079)
And so if that's you, if you're listening and that's you, you are the most normal person there is right now in ministry. We've been through a hard thing and because of that, we felt like in a lot of ways our dreams and visions were put on pause. Right. And I know I can relate to that. And, you know, leading globally, but especially leading in Canada, which is our biggest field in move in.
with 51 teams, you know, it's it's felt like when can we get rearing again? When can we get going again? And I feel that coming on again. You know, it's such a great feeling. One of our dreams, one of the things we were planning before the pandemic hit was a large mobilizational conference, mission conference, mission all and mission conference for Gen Z.
Rob Chartrand (58:39.077)
Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (58:44.538)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (58:58.215)
right for the next generation. And we just had to put that on hold when the pandemic hit. And I have kept it on hold for this whole four and a half years. in the last, even last few weeks, and so I hope this encourages some people that those dreams are coming alive again. And it's, it's like, yes, we need to dream again. And you know, we need to, we need to, to
Rob Chartrand (58:59.118)
Hmm. Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (59:19.663)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (59:27.315)
hold fast to one of the definitions of love in 1st Corinthians 13, which is love always hopes. You know, it isn't even love stops hoping or sometimes hopes, it's love always hopes. And we cannot focus on any negatives there may be in Canada. We need to embody love always hopes. And so that may mean we are there for a 20 year old.
who by the way was 15 and a half when the pandemic hit. We need to be there for that young person to help usher them into the rest of their kingdom life, to invest their life in Canada or globally in amazing things. you know, we can sometimes we can say, well, what about the church? And I do this too much. Like, what about the church across Canada? What about
this problem, that problem, and this shortage and that shortage and whatever and affordable housing and all of it. And they're real things, but we need to embody love always hopes. And we need to, even if it's for one person, we need to embody love always hopes. And you know what? We can do one person because I'm just one person, you know, like what a huge privilege it is for me as one person to help one other, maybe even help change one other person's life. Right.
Rob Chartrand (01:00:27.012)
Yeah.
Rob Chartrand (01:00:47.183)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (01:00:55.505)
So, and maybe two people, like we can go from there, right? So, to answer your question, Rob, you know, I'm really excited about the future. I'm excited for us to do that large mobilization conference and work with others, with pastors, with mission agencies, and ministries and mission. good question. Yeah, maybe, but maybe not, you know? And actually we often move out of Toronto towards Hamilton.
Rob Chartrand (01:01:12.846)
Yeah. Is that going to be in Toronto or where is it going to be?
Nigel Paul (01:01:25.255)
for different reasons. But you know, I'm so excited for things in Western Canada. I'm also excited for how we can work with our brothers and sisters south of the border. The continent in the world I'm also very excited about is the continent of Africa, which is the only fast growing continent left on earth. And it's the fastest growing church on earth. And it will change the makeup of the world and the church in the coming decade.
Rob Chartrand (01:01:25.444)
Mm
Rob Chartrand (01:01:45.616)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (01:01:54.087)
So I'm very excited about that. And so these dreams are coming again. I, you know, if this encourages anybody listening, I've complained way too much. I complained way too much in the pandemic. I complained to God way too much. Thankfully, he, he, he isn't, it's nothing new to him to have people, his people complaining to him. If we look at the Psalms and all through scripture. But I want to complain less and I want to dream more. And I want to...
Rob Chartrand (01:01:54.404)
Yeah, for sure.
Rob Chartrand (01:02:23.301)
Hmm.
Nigel Paul (01:02:23.729)
have faith and I want to embody love always hopes. So yeah, I hope that encourages somebody.
Rob Chartrand (01:02:28.772)
Yeah, so good. Yeah. How does a person get involved in moving? What's the steps?
Nigel Paul (01:02:35.195)
Yeah, well, if you're a pastor, you could, you might have thought of a young person in your church that, you know, they may have a heart for global mission and that could be overseas and I, that would be awesome. I hope you would encourage them. Or it could be global mission inside Canada. And in either case, move in might be a great fit for them on route globally or within Canada. And
The other neat thing about that is we are all about the wider body of Christ. You know, we really view ourselves as a limited part of what God is doing and we view ourselves as part of the tapestry. So if you're a pastor listening, we would love to end up in partnership with you through that young person in your church who starts a move -in team, joins a move -in team, reaches out to us. So if you'd like to share this with them, go for it. And we would love what that would
result in even in getting to know you more. If you're somebody yourself who's interested, check out our website, movein .global and the same website Rob referred to earlier. And yeah, reach out to us and we will personally walk with you to, to on this journey. and yeah, anybody else listening, there might be somebody in your life who this, you know, this
seems like a match for them and yeah please share it with them and we would love to help them and yeah so maybe those are a few answers.
Rob Chartrand (01:04:10.036)
Yeah, if you go to the website, in the top right corner, there's a big black button that says connect. And it's in the right place. It's in the perfect place where it should be. Top fold right corner. And you click on it and it says I'm interested in moving in. That's an option. Learning more about your events or number three, learning more about partnerships. So mean, that's good for churches as well, thinking about it. So, so simple, so simple.
Nigel Paul (01:04:15.335)
Yeah, there you go. There you go. That's right. Yeah.
Nigel Paul (01:04:25.479)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And we might be able to send a speaker. You know, I'm one of them, can't go to, sadly can't take up every opportunity, but we, we, there's a very good chance if you would like someone to speak in your church that we could do that. So yeah.
Rob Chartrand (01:04:53.392)
Hey Nigel, I wondered as we're wrapping up our conversation if we could end with you giving a final word of encouragement to our ministry leaders across the country who are listening in today.
Nigel Paul (01:04:58.141)
Mm.
Nigel Paul (01:05:02.341)
Yeah. Yeah.
man, there's nothing I'd rather do. Let me do that. So, wow, thank you for doing what you do. You have taken a pay cut. I just want to thank you for doing that. There were other paths you could have taken. And you, you know, there were much more comfortable paths you could have taken. And especially in the last few years...
In so many ways, you've had the short end of the stick. You you dealt with divisions. You dealt with so much hurt, even directed at you. You saw people hurting and felt their hurt, and that was hard. And I just want to thank you for doing what you do because it's so critical. You know, it's so needed to have dedicated people.
who are available to do what the wider body of Christ needs, what young people need, what older people and every age and children need, which is somebody who is helping them grow spiritually, helping give them another option in contrast to everything they're seeing in social media and in...
commercials and everywhere else, you are reminding them of what matters. And I just want to thank you so much for that. You have already changed many people's lives. You have already impacted many people's lives. And you will change and impact many more people's lives. So thank you for doing this. I just am filled with gratitude as I think of you. And I hope...
Nigel Paul (01:07:01.831)
that after the difficult last few years you have been through for many of you listening, that you've got some really, really encouraging years ahead. And I believe that is the case. And so I'm rooting for you as I'm even saying these words praying without ceasing for you and hope you are encouraged in a new way today.
Rob Chartrand (01:07:29.218)
Amen. Amen and amen. Nigel, Paul, thank you for joining us on Church in the North.
Nigel Paul (01:07:34.791)
Thank you Rob, it was so fun to get to know you. I've subscribed to this podcast so I look forward to all the future episodes. And what a gift it is to the Church in Canada. So thank you so much Rob. And yeah, I feel like I can now count you as a personal friend. I hope that's mutual. And excited for how our paths will increasingly cross too.
Rob Chartrand (01:07:43.088)
That's great.
Rob Chartrand (01:07:54.288)
Yeah, absolutely. 100%.
Yeah, well, and I'd love to get you back on the show again in a couple years and see what hope looks like embodied in global movement. So bless you, brother.
Nigel Paul (01:08:03.815)
Yeah, amen. Yeah.
Thanks so much Rob, God bless you.