Dr. Rob Chartrand (00:01.693)
Well, hey, we are excited to welcome to the show Church in the North, Danny Arevalo. He's Danny. How could I say your name?
Danny Arevalo (00:09.506)
You got it perfect. Bang on. That was impressive. Yeah, there you go. Add some accent to it.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (00:11.187)
Arevalo? Arevalo. Okay, I'm gonna start it again. Well, I spent some time in Mexico, right? I-A-E-O-U. I'll start it again, don't worry. Our sound technicians will fix it. All right, well, hey, we're so excited to have on Church in the North, Danny Arevalo. He is the lead pastor of Freedom Church in New Westminster. Danny, welcome to Church in the North.
Danny Arevalo (00:19.98)
Nice.
Danny Arevalo (00:35.79)
Thanks for having me.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (00:37.961)
Hey, we wanna hear your backstory, your story of the call into ministry. It's a great story with lots of twists and turns. And then we're gonna dive into your church and the work that God is doing with you and with the free Methodists in BC. But why don't we start with your call to ministry? How did you get the call to ministry? Where did it all begin?
Danny Arevalo (00:59.438)
Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (01:03.554)
Yeah, it's like you said, it's a crazy story with a lot of twists and turns. You know, I grew up in a Christian, I guess, household that we went to church on Sundays, but whether or not it was practiced at home was, you know, debatable. You know, I had good parents that loved us. My three sisters and I, kind of grew up as, you know, typical church kids Sunday school. But as we got older, we kind of drifted away from
the church, especially myself, like I was really involved in playing soccer at a high level. So Sundays was kind of reserved for games. And, you know, just show up for Easter or Christmas or whenever they had events and I had time to go. My dad kind of would take me to all of my games and things like that. So he kind of stopped going as well. But when I was 14, about to turn 15,
Dr. Rob Chartrand (01:42.687)
He
Danny Arevalo (02:00.078)
My mom passed away tragically in a car accident. Her and her best friend, they slipped on black ice driving on their way home from work one night and they hit oncoming traffic and they both died instantly. So that really rocked us as a family, as a community. My mom was very well respected in our community and people that she influenced. So that was quite tragic.
I, know, 14, 15, you don't really start asking these big questions or maybe you do, but at least for myself, I had never thought about it. You know, like what's what's the meaning of life? What's our purpose here? Where do we go after after death? And yeah, started really seeking some of those answers. One of the things that really disturbed me during the grieving process, the funeral process was a lot of people would come up to you, you know, with good intentions and say things like, the Lord took her.
she's with the Lord now, things like that. And the more that it kind of kept coming up, I kind of thought, well, you know, if this God is so loving and this God is so caring, like, why would he allow this to happen? Why would he make me feel this way? So I started to really question if I even had faith. You know, up until that point, it seemed like my family's thing that we did on Sundays and wasn't really my own. So I remember at the funeral,
the pastor at the time, he kind of lined up all of us up in front on the pulpit. And he asked us, and I remember this so vividly, like into this room in this, this, you know, big auditorium, it was there was over 800 people at my mom's funeral. was incredible. There was there was people standing in the lobby because they couldn't all fit. And I remember the pastor asking us going each
down the row, one by one, you are you gonna serve the Lord? Are you gonna serve the Lord? My dad, my sisters, and everybody said yes, but the entire time I was the last one, I was thinking like, man, I don't want anything to do with this God. This God is this God of love and compassion. Like, he's not really delivering on his word or who he says he is. And I pretty much was like, you know what? Like, I hate you. Like, I want nothing to do with you.
Danny Arevalo (04:28.102)
And that was my posture after that day. In case you were wondering, I did say yes, just to not create a stir in the moment. And everybody would be like, my gosh, we need to do deliverance ministry on him or something. I didn't want anything like that to happen. I just said, no, I'm not interested in this God. And for the next three years, that's how I lived my life.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (04:36.351)
Sure.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (04:47.506)
It's right.
Danny Arevalo (04:57.248)
very formative years in high school, doing the whole high school thing. I was very dedicated to soccer and then that kind of kept me out of a lot of trouble at the time. But then towards the last semester of my high school career, I got a bad injury in soccer and it was actually out for six, seven months that I couldn't be playing. So I had all this extra time on my hands and I got really involved into the partying scene, drinking, drugs, all that kind of stuff. And
Yeah, it was just not a good time. I was in a really low place, struggling with depression, suicidal thoughts. You know, it was just a really, really dark time. And I always had people praying for me. Like my older sister was always praying for me. People in the church were always praying for me. I think that's really what kept me going. And then just one night of kind of was on a weekend vendor and all of sudden, I heard God's voice.
he met me where I was at. So I was at a really low place in my life and just really contemplating like what's my purpose here? Like my soccer career is dwindling because you know in the most crucial time I get this injury and now I can't be scouted for university or can't be scouted professionally. I lost a lot of opportunities. I wasn't doing well in school and I was just really like really well what is my purpose? What am I doing here? I even dabbled until like
you know looking at other religions and Islam and Buddhism and just trying to like find something that would make sense and I guess in my search and kind of God just revealed himself to me where I heard his voice through this this crazy encounter this you know out-of-body kind of spiritual encounter that I had with him you know I wasn't at a youth conference I wasn't at church I wasn't you know I was just in my friend's basement alone and you know heard God call me
And there's a scripture in Isaiah that I realized now that was what I heard God speak to me where he says, I am yours, you belong to me. I bought you with the price. yeah, that really stuck with me. And so I kind of woke up the next day, it was a Sunday, and I was wearing the same clothes that I had been partying in the night before, smelled like booze. And I went to church, I just called my dad out of the blue and was like, hey, I'm gonna meet you guys at church this morning. He was just shocked.
Danny Arevalo (07:24.278)
And so I pulled up, I actually took a bus, took me like an hour and a half to get there. And I showed up and who was the greeter was actually my dad was the one of the greeters at the door that morning. And he just looks at me, he hugs me and he hands me some gum, Excel gum. He's like, your breath stinks. Still smell like booze. And then, yeah, I sat in the service for the first time in a long time and heard about, you know,
God's love and His grace and everything the pastor was saying was like he was speaking right at me. And yeah, I kind of just continued on that path, that journey. And a couple of months later, I was invited to a youth conference. And this is where I kind of discovered this calling that God was calling me into. And I was at this youth conference and I remember it so vividly. The message was just so powerful. And that night I accepted Christ into my life. And there's this girl that
I was kind of seeing at the time she kind of led me to Christ and and it was this great experience of just really receiving the Holy Spirit that day. And that following Sunday, the church had sponsored like Youth to Go to this conference. And so the pastor is like, hey, does anybody want to share kind of what they experienced at this conference? And, you know, there's about 20 youth there. And and I was waiting for one of them to like step up and say, yeah, I'm going to share what God did in my life.
Because I was like this new, like reborn again Christian. I'm like, man, like I don't know what to say. don't, I don't, I don't even own a Bible up until this point. And so I was like, I don't want to be the one. And I hated public speaking, but with a passion actually, it's something that I really, you know, it's been really something that I've really struggled with to kind of comprehend that, you know, God uses me in spite of that. But nobody's stepped up. So then I was like, you know what, like,
God just did this amazing thing in my life and I want to share and I want to tell people. So I said, sure, I'll do it. And it was a Spanish church too. So I actually shared in Spanish and I started, I guess, preaching. I don't even remember what I said, but I just started preaching and just speaking from the Holy Spirit, just speaking through to me. And afterwards I probably went on for like 15, 20 minutes and in front of the church and the congregation. And afterwards this lady came up to me and she,
Dr. Rob Chartrand (09:42.953)
Wow.
Danny Arevalo (09:50.008)
gave me a word that I believe was from the Lord where she just said, the Lord's gonna use your voice to speak to this generation. And that just stuck. And yeah, I just started pursuing what that meant and wrestling with that. I went to Bible college afterwards when I graduated from high school. Started helping out at the youth ministry, became one of the youth pastors really quickly. And yeah, just been there ever since. So pretty much from 18 years old, I've been.
full-time ministry in one way, or form.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (10:21.713)
Okay, wow. Yeah, there's some obviously some gaps between then and now. I just picked something up. somebody gave you a word. it like a Pentecostal Charismatic Church that you were part of at the time?
Danny Arevalo (10:34.961)
He was a four square church. So I guess yeah, it's a kind of a but I don't think it was like, you know, a thus says the Lord moment. It was just very like, kind, tender, you know, just brought some peace in the moment. And it was really edifying. And, you know, obviously the fruit speak and Billy was edifying for the body. So I definitely like at that time, I didn't know any better. And like I said, I didn't even know in the Bible. But when she said this, this word,
Dr. Rob Chartrand (10:37.607)
Okay. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (11:03.822)
It was, yeah, and every time that I've tried to like leave my ministry calling, that word keeps coming back. Three different times, three different distinct times I've received like a prophetic word or somebody was coming and I was either invited to play on a worship team at a conference and all of sudden the pastor just stops mid-service, looks at me, points at me and repeats the same phrase. And I was contemplating whether or not I was going to continue in ministry. And it's happened three different times, just.
almost exact same way by three different people. And so, yeah, definitely believe it was from God.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (11:41.001)
Wow. So you, I mean, you served in some different places, but you did end up in Arlington down south of the border there. how did you end up there? And what was the work you were doing there?
Danny Arevalo (11:54.22)
Yeah, yeah, that was actually it was such a great time in Arlington, So we were pastoring up in Fort McMurray, Alberta, was a young adult pastor, but did everything in between up there and working at a great church there. it was just COVID just was about it was like, was just starting and, and I had this feeling of God calling us into mission, mission will work. And
At the time we were really wrestling. I had been wrestling for like two years with that, that, that feeling that prompting, but my wife just kept saying, you know, in God's time, like, you know, he's going to open the doors and things like that. And then COVID hit and we kind of just let it, let it rest, let it sit for a bit. And then towards that, like nine months later, just felt this strong impression. And my wife came up to me she's like, yeah, I think.
and God's calling us into missions. And there was multiple signs that we really received from God that was kind of prompting that. And I sat down and I talked with my pastor and I was like, I thought his reaction was going to be very different, but it was actually very like confirming and gentle and encouraging. And then that kind of really pushed us. So we didn't have anything lined up. We basically left our really, really good
Dr. Rob Chartrand (13:09.407)
Hmm.
Danny Arevalo (13:19.032)
position, job, house, comfort to really step into the unknown. Like we had no idea we didn't have a job lined up, we didn't have anything lined up, we had nothing planned. And it was middle of COVID now. And so people are wanting to keep their jobs and people are losing their jobs and not being able to work. And here I am like giving up my job and resigning willingly.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (13:44.308)
Right.
Danny Arevalo (13:46.952)
And then we just moved back to into my in-laws house for a season. We hadn't seen them for bit. So we were hanging out with them and one day driving. I found this posting for this role for this missions organization in Arlington, Texas called Pace Movement. Started reading about it. And the craziest parts is I had written down like what I wanted to be doing, like a job description. And when I opened up their job description, it was like almost word for word what.
I had written down prior. So I thought that was confirmation. I called them. I said, Hey, would you consider a Canadian? And they're like, no, not really. But, we're open for conversation and we kind of instantly just clicked. yeah, it's kind of just open doors. You know, two months later, here we are moving to Arlington, Texas. And we're serving as directors of Pace Movement in North America, which is a ministry, really awesome ministry that
sends young adults on missions to serve on missions for a year. It's like a gap year program. So we would get missionaries from all over, from Brazil, Australia, Germany, the UK, South Africa. Yeah. And they would come and serve in different churches in the States and up in Canada. And yeah, so we were at the time at our peak, we were kind of overseeing over 33 missionaries, young adults all across North America.
and we got to serve them as their pastors or trainers, their cheerleaders basically. And yeah, just it was really, really, really great opportunity to learn, to be very missional minded, very missional focused in that we had no idea at the time was what was actually preparing us for what we're actually doing now.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (15:30.153)
Right. Yeah. Well, so obviously this was a very important time in your life that is gonna launch you into the next stage of what God has for you. so let's fast forward a little bit. You end up coming back to Canada and when you got back here, you started a house church, I think. Talk to us about that.
Danny Arevalo (15:55.468)
Yeah, so the crazy thing is that it was still COVID. Like we were only in Texas for about just under two years and we wanted to stay in Texas. Like we loved it. Like it was such an awesome thing. Like we didn't want to go home, come back to Canada, but there was just some things that were kind of out of our hands logistically. Things that because of the nature of the season that we were in because of COVID and we still owned property back in Canada.
you weren't able to manage property and just, you know, different things. Like my wife wasn't able to work in the States. You know, we had young children. We didn't have access to, you know, medical care and different things like that. You know, being foreigners in the U.S., you know, medical care is really expensive. You know, and with COVID, the borders were closed. We didn't know if we were going to see our family again. And so or when we were going to see our family again. And so
Yeah, it was just a lot of logistical things that were not helping and not working in our favor. And we had to make the tough decision to kind of go back to Canada, kind of settle some things up here. And so when we came back, we came back very grudgingly, like, Lord, why didn't you send us to Texas just to bring us back here? And then of all places, like Vancouver, the lower mainland, was like the last place I wanted to be. I was, yeah, during COVID, like, you know, we went to...
Dr. Rob Chartrand (17:15.327)
during COVID.
Danny Arevalo (17:18.67)
We were in Texas where COVID lasted like two months and coming back, was still the tail end of COVID. We were just really bitter, to be honest. We were like, God, what are you doing in this? We said yes to you. We packed up all our things. I ended up driving back a U-Haul truck with my three-year-old daughter at the time. We drove all the way from Dallas, Fort Worth, all the way up to Vancouver in this U-Haul truck.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (17:46.11)
Wow.
Danny Arevalo (17:47.276)
Yeah, it was just like, yeah, it was just crazy. It was a crazy time, but we get back here and then we're like, okay, well, you know, I used to work at a great church here in Vancouver back in the day. you know, I kind of knew the scene a little bit and, we're in the city now of New Westminster, renting this small one bedroom apartment with two kids. Cause my sister was able to sublet it to us. And then we're, you know,
We don't have a church family. We don't have anything really that's going on ministry-wise. My contracts can expire with PAYS. Thankfully, my wife got a job with the missions organization and that was pretty sweet. then we had, we were looking for a church and essentially what ended up happening was we visited a couple of churches and it just wasn't, we wanted to go to a church that was like in our community.
We didn't want to have to drive or go very far to find a church. And we just couldn't find anything that really felt right in the moment for where we were at, where we could help and serve in that season. churches still weren't open to capacity. So that kind of didn't help either. And there was this really great thing that PACE does and they do like this really good thing of
Bible studies called HAVRM where you just invite your friends, your neighbors, invite anybody and come do a Bible study with them. So we were like, you know, Ali, we just spent, that's my wife, I was like, Ali, we just spent two years teaching missionaries how to lead Bible studies in their neighborhood and their community and schools and their workplace. why don't we actually practice what we preach and start a Bible study in our home, in our little one-bedroom, you know? And so, yeah, so we just opened up our home, invited our neighbors on our floor and we invited.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (19:27.775)
Imagine that.
Danny Arevalo (19:37.294)
some friends that weren't going to church at the time. We just started doing games nights and just started doing Bible study. And there was never an intention of planting a church. It was just, we just wanted to read and study the Bible with friends and start building community because that's what we were craving at the time, right? And our little group started to grow and we were about 12 people. one of my friend's wives at the time, she was
I knew her from a while back, but I didn't know her as like, you know, this great prayer warrior or anything like that. just, I knew that she had a devotional life and I respect her voice, but she says to me after one of the times we met up, we all met up, she says, Danny, I think you should plant a church. And I was like, yeah, that's the last thing I want to do is plant a church. And so I kind of just left it, but that word just kept ringing and ringing.
And, know, I, yeah, it was just not something that I planned to do. so looking up, got to the point where, you know, these, I recognize that these people that we basically now were discipling needed to be discipled. These, these, you know, these friends, these groups, our neighbors that were coming to this, I guess you can call it a house church now, like they needed a place where they could go and be in community and be continuing to disciple, be discipled. And I was like, I'm not the person to do that.
I don't want to go back into this church planter mode. I've done it in the past and helped and been on church planting teams and things like that. I'm just like, I know how difficult it is. But what ended up happening was just online looking for jobs and trying to see what was going to be my next. And found this little church not too far from us.
I was looking for a pastor and I was looking for churches where I can go and dump these people off essentially and be like, they're your problem now. And I started reading their profile and I started reading how, you know, they had this church building and, they haven't had a pastor for, you know, X amount of time. And they would love to partner with someone who can come and be their pastor. And they want to replant the church and go through this church revitalization. The more that I started, you know, praying about it, the more that I just really started to see
Dr. Rob Chartrand (21:40.751)
Ha ha.
Danny Arevalo (22:03.854)
that God was calling me to do this. so I ended up messaging them, emailing them, went back and forth and ended up meeting with the board that was here. And yeah, here we are now, three and a half years later.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (22:17.993)
Wow. So this was with the free Methodists, right? So that was a new tribe for you. Was that a challenge for you? Was that something that was easy for you to just ease into a different denomination?
Danny Arevalo (22:21.794)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (22:32.59)
To be honest, no. I didn't, like with my work with PACE, the cool thing was that I was talking to a lot of different network denominational leaders down in Texas from everything, know, Baptist, Calvary, Southern Baptist, Pentecostal. And I actually came across a Free Methodist Church during my time there, but I never really looked into it. I didn't really know too much about it.
But when I came here and started getting connected with the Free Methodist, there's certain things that I really liked about it and certain things that I had to learn to like. I can say that now I really enjoy where I'm at. I really enjoy the denomination and the people that I get to do ministry with and get to serve alongside of. But I'm definitely, I always just had an open mind and I kind of call myself like a.
a theological mutt, because I kind of have a bit of everything. I've gone to different schools, different backgrounds. And so I appreciate it. I appreciate all the different dominations, what they bring to the table. But yeah, at first, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't hard. was hard getting used to.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (23:31.967)
Yeah, me too, yeah.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (23:44.32)
So you transitioned from like a house church, which is, know, high hospitality, very communal, very organic, and then brought a group of people into a church building, right, which then you've got a little bit more form and structure that's different, like Sundays and pews and, you know, worship and all these sorts of things. How's that transition been for you and what?
What did you keep and then maybe what did you have to adjust?
Danny Arevalo (24:15.884)
Yeah, so all of it was like a joining of two families and you kind of lose certain things and compromise on others and with others just you're still walking in and trying to find that happy medium. And sometimes it's, know, one side is happier than the other. so we try our best to kind of create a culture where it's like, you know what?
The reason why we gather here, the reason why we're coming together is for the sake of the gospel to reach that lost one. I kept using this phrase, like, re-falling in love with the gospel. For the people that were new to church and new to Christianity, for them, was easy for them to fall in love with the gospel because it was so new. But with, our more senior folks that were already in the church, it was a recommitment or re-engaging with
Re-falling in love with the gospel and having a passion for missions again and outreach and things like that and letting it be more than just things that we talk about but actually putting it into practice. Meaning that there's going to be certain things that isn't going to be for me but that's okay because I want to see my neighbor get reached or I want to see my grandson come to know Christ or a loved one come to know the gospel. so it was hard. It was a hard transition.
You know, God was really gracious. I'm really stubborn and so I really stuck through with it. I had really good people that were kind of cheering me on on the sidelines. And yeah, I read a lot of books on church revitalization to kind of familiarize myself with, you know, the do's and don'ts and you kind of have to learn through your experiences as well. And just be super gracious and knowing that not everybody adapts to change at the same time.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (25:49.46)
Hmm.
Danny Arevalo (26:09.07)
Because I'm someone that like I can change on a dime my wife can't she she has to process things But I'm like, yeah, I love change I love new things and I know love doing, you know different things at once but for some you know, I have to understand that not everybody's like that and so With the with the new people coming in, you know Some of them left some of them moved away because you know, it's cheaper to live in Calgary nowadays So someone to Calgary some found churches closer to them
But there was a good group that stuck with us and that are still here to this day.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (26:39.551)
So talk to us about the growth you've been experiencing then in the Westminster Church. mean, spiritual growth, stories of life transformation, stories of conversion. What's God been doing in the church since you, even like from the time you were a house church to even the present day?
Danny Arevalo (26:58.616)
Yeah, yeah, it's been incredible. Honestly, there's so many stories that I can share, but just to kind of generalize, if you ask people in our church, what is our church known for? Our church is kind of known for having all the misfits. People who just don't know where they fit in in society or know where they fit in in the culture. at our church, they can find a place because there isn't...
we're all just misfits that, you we kind of come together for one purpose and it's to glorify God. And one of the cool things about our church is that we've, you know, we've really have seen the gospel play out where it's like we're reaching the least of these. Like we're reaching the ones that maybe society and maybe even churches overlook. You know, we have a rehab center across the street from our church and we've seen guys come to the church and
get saved, get baptized, and then end up bringing their families and their families get saved. And here they are now. And some of them are our board members. Some of them are our leaders in the church. And some of them are on our worship team. Some of them are, you know, their kids brought them to church because they loved our kids' ministry. yeah, like we, our church is like, it'd be really hard to come to our church on a Sunday and not be welcomed and greeted with the most authentic love.
from people because yeah, that's really what we see happen on a weekly basis. Our church has grown from that. Our church has grown from predominantly reaching unchurched people and having people who have come to our church who maybe had a background in church culture or have been in the faith for a while now, but they come now with a kingdom perspective or kingdom mindset. Maybe this church
doesn't have all the ministries that they would wish, they come expecting that they're going to put their boots on and get on the ground and start working and start serving and start loving on people. And yeah, we've seen great growth through that. Yeah, there isn't I don't think there's just one thing that's been like our, know, some churches can say, this is our bread and butter. But for us, it's just a multiple kind of multifaceted kind of approach that
Danny Arevalo (29:23.47)
Our church is so multicultural, so multi demographic and age wise. we have someone, a newborn and we have someone who's 97 years old in our congregation and we worship together and we have people from all over the world who come and we worship together. And yeah, our church is just, we pride ourselves on being the Misfits for sure.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (29:45.876)
Yeah, yeah. So talk to us about like some of the changes you had to implement that would have been maybe a shift in culture or shift in the way of doing things at the church. And how did you help people navigate those changes?
Danny Arevalo (30:00.93)
Yeah, that's been probably one of the hardest things that we've had to go through in church revitalization is having already an existing group of people here and kind of bringing them through church revitalization to kind of have them, like I said at the beginning, like have this re-engagement or this rededication of re-falling in love with the gospel and allowing them to be open to trying new things. I think that mindset has to kind of come first.
If you can help someone see the gospel be played out and celebrate baptisms and celebrate, you know, people coming to Christ, that is what helped them, propelled them to kind of accept, okay, this is why we're doing this. This is why we're trying this. Or this is why we're using, you know, technology or whatever we can, social media to be a resource or a tool to evangelize or to do ministry or to do, you know,
Dr. Rob Chartrand (30:45.119)
Mm.
Danny Arevalo (30:59.596)
this is why we should invest in this and invest in that or invest in kids ministry. Like one of the things like I'll give an example is that in our church, our church building, was built in 1911. It's really, really old. When I got here, there was all the kids classrooms were just a complete disaster. Like they were just a mess. They haven't been used in, in would say decades. They hadn't had kids in this church in decades. And I said, at the time, like only my kids were the
Dr. Rob Chartrand (31:22.047)
Wow.
Danny Arevalo (31:27.224)
kids in church, so my two older kids. And I said to them, we need to do better. We need to clean these rooms out. We need to tidy them up. We need to make them ready so that when kids come, they have a place to go to. And for them, it was really hard to see. It was really hard to understand that you kind of have to prepare the fields for the harvest.
we did this big spring clean out and we threw out a whole bunch of things that needed to go and we cleaned these rooms up. But at the time, like we were setting up as if we were going to receive like 30 kids that Sunday. But I said, hey, it's a start. It's in faith, right? We've got to take a step of faith. We got to prepare the fields and, you know, and start planting the seeds and the Lord of the harvest will come through. And we did that, Rob. And literally the next Sunday we had
kids visit for the first time, families with kids visit for the first time. And it was like, we were ready. We had a plan. We knew what we were gonna do for kids ministry. My wife was really amazing and involved in that. so helping them see why change is necessary, helping them see we're not just doing change for the sake of change. Everything has a reason. So I don't go and paint something just because I like the color blue. It has to have a reason. There has to be a purpose.
kingdom purpose behind as to why we're doing this. You know, I'm not the most, you know, I could do away with, you know, having everything be aesthetics and things like that, or, you know, light shows and things like that. Like, I, it's not it's not who I am. But if we're to do something, there has to be a reason behind it. And so I kept saying that I kept using that as a kind of a way to propel people to be open, and open to shift, a shift in mindset, a shift in culture. And people have been
very accepting once they started seeing the fruit.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (33:26.655)
Well, I mean, and the story doesn't stop there. There's a story of multiplication that I want our listeners to hear about as well. You guys ended up launching a Spanish congregation as well. How did that come about?
Danny Arevalo (33:40.556)
Yeah, yeah. we essentially like I was praying and this is the joke in our church. I was praying that the Lord send someone that could help us with with worship like I was doing at the very beginning I was doing Worship leading and preaching because there's no one else in our church that that could do it We either had seniors or brand new Christians that you know, I'd never been that this is the first time being in a church service and so You know, I was doing both and I was praying, you know
passage in Matthew to send the workers, Lord. Send the workers. And I prayed for that. And all of a sudden, like six months later, I had this couple from Chile that basically landed at our doorstep. And they were like, hey, we're missionaries from the Free Methodist Church in Chile. And we just come to help and serve. And I was like, wow, God answers prayers. That should have been more specific because at the time they couldn't speak English. And so I was like, Lord, I should have prayed, Lord, send someone that can speak English.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (34:35.954)
you
Danny Arevalo (34:39.918)
But no, he sent, you know...
Dr. Rob Chartrand (34:41.119)
We should let our listeners know if they didn't speak English, how did you communicate with them? There we go.
Danny Arevalo (34:46.582)
So I, cause I speak Spanish. Yeah. Yeah. So, I was able to speak with them because yeah, cause I could speak Spanish and, yeah. And there was this, there this amazing couple that came and started helping. And he was musically gifted and he actually started learning English by leading us in worship in English. So he would just learn the songs in English and, he would lead in English. And it was, you know, before the service, he'd be like, Danny, how do you pronounce this word sanctification?
teaching him different words, then he would go up five minutes later and lead us in worship. It was really neat. They just had this heart to serve. But their heart was to plant a Spanish church. I said, hey, when the time is right, we'll plant a Spanish church and I'll support you guys. The same way that you guys supported me through this, I'll support you. Yeah, they launched last year a Spanish congregation that's been going steadily strong.
kind of at the developing leaders stage right now. And we have a greatly great core team now. And, and yeah, they, they're, they're, they're, they're amazing. They're doing a great job. And it is because there was a, there's a big need, there's a big Spanish community in our area and a very lack of community for these, you know, immigrants that are coming and don't know the language, don't have community, don't have resources, and we're just being a resource for them. So we do things like ESL classes.
We have our community closet. They sign up for our pantry. So we're just trying to help them kind of integrate into Canadian life.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (36:21.311)
Wow, well, another story of multiplication is an opportunity to do a multi-church congregation in Kamloops that's associated with you. So talk about that real quick as well. What's that all about?
Danny Arevalo (36:30.275)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (36:37.772)
Yeah, so, so, you know, our denomination kind of got wind of what was happening here and just this, you know, revitalization that was taking place and really just seeing like, we've since we relaunched the church under the name Freedom Church, we've had new guests every single Sunday, even to this day as you know, and here we are to two and a half years in. It's been incredible. It's been incredible, right. And our denomination kind of
took note and some other churches kind of took note and what God was doing and at a church reach out and they were going through a transition time and the pastor and I, we kind of became friends and I was kind of helping them with some consulting and just with trying to help them and encourage them that God could do the same. Eventually this opportunity came up for us to partner with them and to merge and to kind of share the vision and.
kind of help them, you know, become more kingdom centric, more kingdom minded, more willing to be missional in their community. so we've, we started this merger process with a small congregation in Kamloops. You know, they had a building, they have some resources, but yeah, but they are, we're desiring some, some, some, some vision and, and how to get there. And so we've been walking alongside of them and our hope is by next fall, 2026 to relaunch.
a church in Kamloops. And so right now we're just creating a team, we're bringing people together. We have some plans of how we're gonna do outreach in that community and contextualize what God is doing here in Kamloops and make it fitting for what's happening there. And so yeah, that opportunity, everything from day one, I just said, Lord, if this is your plan, then you'll make the steps happen.
you'll open the doors, I won't have to force anything. And yeah, it's been this beautiful ride. So I kind of I travel right now, once or twice a month to Kamloops. And then we have someone who will either speak in person, they always have live worship and maybe once or twice a month, we might do a live stream, depending on on how the weeks go. We've, we're still establishing our team here, and establishing a team there and the Spanish congregation as well. And so, yeah, it's just been multiplication.
Danny Arevalo (39:00.398)
taking place naturally, doesn't feel forced. And yeah, God has his hand on it and it's been really great since.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (39:08.393)
Yeah, so I'm really interested in knowing what you might envision this might look like. Would they be a separate church or would they be a campus of your church?
Danny Arevalo (39:20.962)
Yeah, so because resources are hard to come by these days, having extra funds and we've found out the hard way. When you reach new Christians, people that have no church background, the finances don't come with it. It takes time. They gotta be discipled and start growing in that area of that spiritual discipline of generosity.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (39:28.563)
Mm-hmm.
Danny Arevalo (39:49.004)
and giving and giving back to the church. And so we've seen it now, but at the beginning it was really, really critical. And we're reaching people who have been in rehab centers for the last nine months and haven't worked in the last nine months. So how are we gonna start asking them to start giving? It's one of those things that we're actually continuing to help them, support them, kind of integrate them back into society once they finish their program. And so we never really relied on our tithes and offerings. I've kind of been strategic in.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (40:02.196)
Right.
Danny Arevalo (40:18.642)
doing some fundraising and ways to maximize our revenue through other streams. And so when we do this church revitalization and helping this other countenance congregation, we foresee that that being the people that we want to reach, right? Not just already Christians, but people who haven't heard the gospel or haven't had access to the gospel just yet. And so
By us pooling our resources together, we can serve as like a kind of central hub and help with behind the scenes things and then have people on boots on the ground doing the work of the ministry and them not having to worry about administrative stuff and advertising or marketing or website, desktop publishing, things like that that we can take care of with our resources here and allowing that to be a campus that really flourishes in their context of actually doing ministry. They don't have to worry about.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (41:07.444)
Mm-hmm.
Danny Arevalo (41:13.838)
those things that we had to start and build from the ground up here. And so by them having a campus pastor, they can serve on a bigger team rather than being by themselves, having to create a team by themselves. We can send people there that will establish a team and support one another. And then they collaborate with us on, I guess, our newest location and be able to have the resources that we didn't have when we started, right? And be just a
Dr. Rob Chartrand (41:40.851)
Yeah. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (41:43.65)
you know, good partnership for them.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (41:47.2)
Yeah. Well, I think the biggest tell so you can you might have an answer for this now or maybe you don't yet. But does the new Westminster assume control of their assets or do they keep their you know, and do they keep an independent board or do you have two charitable statuses or do you just are you just going to merge it all into one? And then, you know, you're going to have to figure out, you know, multi site, multi church and all that. But have you thought about in terms of governance and assets and all that?
Danny Arevalo (42:16.714)
Yeah, we kind of all agreed that we want to have one unified board that represents both campuses and then have some committees that kind of are more catered towards each campus. Because of the leadership that we're providing for the church, we really wanted to be hands-off for the campus pastor and have to worry about budgets and finances and all that kind of stuff so that they can just
Dr. Rob Chartrand (42:21.343)
Okay, yeah.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (42:42.803)
Yep. Yep. Absolutely.
Danny Arevalo (42:44.962)
do what their assignment is. I really believe in having the five-fold ministry of the apostles, teachers, evangelists, pastors, apostles, and having the shepherds actually just shepherding the people, and having the teachers actually just teaching, and the evangelists doing their work. And if the role of apostle is, I guess, where I would fit in, we can continue to multiply this way.
and multiply churches faster rather than having to have everything in a row at one location so that they can start doing ministry. It's like we kind of can fast track it a little bit by having people come on boots in the ground and really just focus on the areas that they feel called to do and not have one pastor have to be all five. And so, yeah, that's kind of where we're at. One unified board.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (43:33.011)
Yep. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (43:37.954)
word because of the way that our denomination works, there's some nuances of like who owns the building, things like that. But we're not super, super concerned with what those things as long as we're, you communicating, we're open, you know, and at this rate, like, for us, you know, we see ourselves as one big, big family. And that's a very denominational thing as well. But the free method is there, they're a really close family. And so for us, it's not about
Dr. Rob Chartrand (43:43.037)
Right, yeah, yeah.
Danny Arevalo (44:06.21)
you know, who owns the building, who owns that. It's really about, how can we see this and God take this to a new level and see something that we haven't done before. So we've actually, I've been part of the denominational team that has been writing new policies for our denomination when it comes to church mergers and, you know, getting everything formatted, legalized and put into our manual so that we have some sort of framework to work with. And so I've been part of that.
and doing that and we're using this as an example, it's like, what can work? so yeah, we have a good vision for it. And yeah, I hope I answered your question fully. Yeah.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (44:48.125)
yeah, for sure. mean, and, you know, it differentiates you from being a network of churches versus being one church, right, in multiple locations. And I think you do save so much money and administrative costs and all that if you can consolidate your budget and consolidate your leadership and have, you know, and allow enough autonomy at each local church to contextualize the gospel.
Danny Arevalo (44:56.91)
Yeah. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (45:15.64)
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (45:17.607)
yet at the same time, why duplicate services if you can share it.
Danny Arevalo (45:20.504)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and one of the cool things about it is like, you know, we've been in this process of like having people come and that are interested in partnering with us and pastors that have come and are interested in joining the team. And one of the really unique things that has kind of taken place is, you know, in one of our conversations, you know, we're talking with this pastor, pretend to pastor that wants to come and be the campus pastor. you know, he was sharing with me like what his strengths are, what his gifts are. And then he says, you know,
He says to me, like, I see you as a very big visionary and you're very go-getter and you have this very entrepreneurial spirit about you. you know, and he says to me, I don't have that. And I said, that's OK, you don't have to have that. Like, I could do that part. You do what God's brought you and it's calling you to do. that's the shepherd people is that's his primary calling. He believes. And I'm like, this is perfect. Like, this is a great partnership because you don't have to be all those things. I'll do those things. I'll worry about, you know, the
where are going to get money? Where are we going to find this? Where are we going to do that? And you can worry about what you want to do and do hospital visits. You want to be with people. You want to be, you know, in the community. And that's what I want. Right. Like we can.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (46:32.287)
Not everybody is the A in the A-pest and not everybody needs to be, right? If we were all A's, we'd blow the world up.
Danny Arevalo (46:35.788)
Exactly. Exactly.
yeah, yeah. And then I need the people that keep me from doing too many crazy things, right? So it works both ways.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (46:46.045)
Yeah, exactly. Now, I think it's important for our listeners to hear what size are your local congregations.
Danny Arevalo (46:56.15)
Yeah, so we're definitely limited by our space, our structures. So right now at our US location, like we're at max capacity already, like our sanctuary can only fit, you know, comfortably like 100 people, to be honest, like comfortably. There's room potentially to expand like our balcony and get some more seating up there. But our biggest limitation is our parking lot. Like we only have something like, I think it's like 14 parking stalls.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (47:21.215)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (47:25.742)
Which is nowhere near enough and so a lot of people come on foot, which is great We're really you know in the neighborhood a lot of people walk to church, which is I think is amazing But but we do get people who you know drive and things like that and yeah It's a struggle every single Sunday for parking so our congregation in the US I don't think can whatever you know reach over, you know 200 people because just as what our limitations are so we always have this mindset of like once we reach this number
like we're planting another campus, either somewhere else, another part of the city or wherever. And it's the same thing with the Kamloops Church. They're a bit bigger. They have a bit bigger congregation capacity to host people. And so they have a little bit more room for growth once we launch that campus. So right now we have two services on Sundays, one in English, one in Spanish, and our English one is already at max.
we could, you know, go move to two services and, you know, bump the Spanish one a little bit later. But then, yeah, most of the people in our team are kind of, our mindset is like, once, if we have to go to two services, we should look at, you know, planting a church somewhere else and taking a team of people with us and kind of replicating and multiplying that way.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (48:47.935)
Well, the reason why I wanted to help people visualize the numbers is because when people think about churches multiplying or churches having multi-sites or multi-campus, they have this image in their mind of a church of 800 or a thousand or 2000 multiplying because they run out of room. I guess what I want to point out is a church of any size could multiply. And what's most important is not so much the size of the congregation, but
Danny Arevalo (49:02.734)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Danny Arevalo (49:12.206)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (49:18.171)
Is it gospel centered? Is there a mission and is there a will for change? Like that those are more critical than than the size of your congregation.
Danny Arevalo (49:28.366)
Yeah, yeah. And you know, I was talking with a church planter down south and, you know, we were talking and he was saying like, people don't realize like once you have five campuses and each one has 200 people, you're already at 1000, your church of 1000. And so, you know, you don't you don't need to be, you know, all everybody in one spot, you know, and have 500 people before you can launch another church. It's again, it's all about, you know, what resources do you have available? What people like
Dr. Rob Chartrand (49:43.251)
Yeah, yeah.
Danny Arevalo (49:58.029)
We've done a really good job, in my opinion, of developing new leaders, developing people who have a heart for ministry. The Free Methodist Church does this really cool thing called tracking, where we can get young people through a tracking process for credentials and start getting them embedded into a more leadership formal structure, training them, discipling them. So we had about six people doing that right now and training them for...
for leaderships for the whole purpose of sending them out. And you have to have that mindset if you're going to be doing this, that the people that come to my church here, come to the New Westminster or Kamloops, like our goal isn't to keep them. Our goal is to equip them. And our goal is equipping them as if God's calling them to be sent out, then we're willing to send them out if they want to go and they want to plan. And so my associate pastor, he's this great young guy that's really up and coming.
Pastor, great speaker. Like he speaks like almost more than I do at our church. And you know, we already know that once we reach this threshold and we have these funds, like he's planting another church and he's taking a team with him and he's taking, you know, he can take my best leaders if he wants, as long as we're in this together and focusing on expanding God's kingdom.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (51:15.443)
Yeah. So, I know from experience, church planting is hard. Church revitalization is even harder. It's not without its challenges. So I wondered if you could talk to us. You just faced some challenges, some difficult news in the last little bit here. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Danny Arevalo (51:38.67)
Yeah, yeah, you know, right off the bat, like church planting is great. And I have a high, high respect for those who are able to do church planting. Church revitalization is just this whole other thing where, you know, I almost sometimes prefer church planting in certain ways because like, there's no culture that you're trying to change. just kind of, you can kind of create that culture from the get go. And having to try to change a culture is
Dr. Rob Chartrand (51:49.033)
Mm-hmm.
Danny Arevalo (52:07.808)
It takes a lot spiritually, emotionally, physically. And you're working with people that might not see eye eye on everything right away or takes more time to adapt. people become, know, people are resource and people, you know, in your church, when you're doing something like this are, you know, every every every person matters. Every person counts. Every person plays such an important role. And
Yeah, just last night from when we recorded this, yeah, the news that we lost a member of our church in Kamloops, a really big pillar. He was actually the person who opened the doors for my family and I to stay on his property all summer long so that we could establish the Kamloops campus. And he leaves behind just this wonderful legacy, but this huge void now.
when you're in this process and you lose a significant person like that, it's, yeah, the whole congregation is affected by it. We also, that couple that I was talking about earlier, who came from Chile, who came as missionaries, they were in a visa process, they had applied, and their visa got denied. And they actually had to go back to Chile. And so here I am with this Spanish campus that, if I'm being honest, I personally didn't want it.
But God is saying here, okay, well, you know, this is what I want. not about what I want, it's what God wants. And here we are now, here I am preaching in Spanish now, you know, on Sundays and doing that. And so, and you know, picking up the void of what Daniel and Daniela, this wonderful couple, what they're doing. Our hope is to be able to bring them back, but there's very real reality that they may not be able to come back. Not because we don't want them to, but you there's certain laws that we operate under the government of Canada that...
says otherwise right and so we're praying we're praying for breakthrough in that and And yeah, that was like it was hard because you know losing down It was like losing a brother like he he was in this from day one with me pretty much and he's he's seen it all he saw it all he saw the behind the scenes he saw you know, the the the victories the some of the those battles that we lost but then seeing God do great things through it and it was a
Danny Arevalo (54:31.788)
Yeah, it was it was really hard to grieve that to grieve obviously right now still processing this losing my friend last night, but also it took me time to process to losing Daniel and Daniela and obviously, you know, they're still alive. They're in Chile. But, you know, we don't know if they'll be able to come back. And so the beautiful thing, though, is that God is always in control. God is he's still good. And he
Dr. Rob Chartrand (54:38.067)
Yeah. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (55:00.526)
Honestly, like I seen his hand even in the most like troubling times when it's like God What are you doing in all this and have to sit and just sit back and say I trust you I trust in your sovereignty. I trust that you're in control I trust that you have a plan that I can't see it right now, but we're gonna be celebrating this and so yeah, that's where we're at right now and Yeah, we're just yeah, we're just really trusting that God has
as a plan that he'd be glorified through it all.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (55:31.293)
Yeah. Well, and thank you for coming on today. I mean, in the midst of this difficult time and being willing to share with our listeners, we really value that.
Danny Arevalo (55:36.364)
Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (55:42.025)
Yeah. Yeah, like I said, you know, I was telling you before we started, like if you can't be authentic, you can't be real. Like you have to show all sides of ministry, right? Not just the highs, but also the lows because even in the lows in the valleys, God is there and God's with you. He's with us.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (55:56.798)
Yeah. Yeah, we don't want to whitewash anything that's happening. So why don't you tell us about your family life through all this? How has church revitalization and planting and all that been for your family and how do you keep a balance?
Danny Arevalo (56:14.83)
Yeah, that's great question So I have an amazing wife Who's been just so supportive through through these transitions through these seasons? You know when when we started dating and I was hit with this like really really, you know bad news of when I was in ministry and basically kind of forced to resign and We really we just had just started dating and I was going through a really hard time and I said to her like hey listen
I'm not doing well, I'm going through this hard time right now. I totally understand if you want to take some time apart for a bit. Because we were only dating for like a month and a half. And she says to me, if we can't get through these things in life together, how do you expect to get through things when we're married? And I was like, wow, she's a keeper. And so I've always had a supportive wife and she's been great.
Allison, she helps in kids ministry and different things in the church, but mostly, you know, at home with our three kids now. So we just had a newborn. She just turns a month old today. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. And so she's doing really well. She's very healthy. Her name's Poema Marie. Poema, get it from Ephesians 2, chapter 10. It's God's handiwork, God's masterpiece, and the Greek word for that. so...
Dr. Rob Chartrand (57:24.701)
wow, congrats.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (57:39.729)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Danny Arevalo (57:43.094)
Yeah, she's a sweetie. She's so cute. And then my oldest daughter is six, Aria. And if you ask her, she says that she's the pastor of Freedom Church, not me. She says to me, Dad, you go pastor in Kamloops and I'll pastor here in New Westminster. And I was like, all right. She's like, you don't need to hire anybody. You got me. And I was like, all right. So she's always ready to go. She's always very witty.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (57:54.057)
He
Dr. Rob Chartrand (58:02.675)
you
Danny Arevalo (58:11.874)
So that's my daughter. She's amazing. My son, Josias, he's like the fun of the family. He's the clown of the family. He's a great time to be with. He's always in a great mood. Yeah, he's like, in his own way, he loves God and he loves worship, music and stuff. And he's just a five-year-old boy with a lot of energy.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (58:23.647)
Hmm.
Danny Arevalo (58:41.218)
of energy. So that's kind our family dynamic. We have some extended family that come to the church. My in-laws are great leaders in our church and their daughters and help us as well. And so it's nice that we get to do this with my family. But yeah, my wife and my three kids and we get to serve alongside. And my family's willing to say, let's go and live in a camper trailer on this farm up in Kamloops for the whole summer while we plan to church.
Yeah, we're all in.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (59:12.041)
Wow. If you could give one or two pieces of advice for leaders who are helping congregations manage change, what would be one or two things that you would say to them?
Danny Arevalo (59:27.01)
Yeah, yeah. First and foremost, prayer is all we got. I know it's so cliche to say that, but honestly, like there's there was moments where, you know, you would hit a wall and you feel like throwing in the towel because things are just not going well. And it takes a toll emotionally, spiritually, physically. And and my only response is your only response can be to go to prayer and really ask God, God, like, are you if you're in this like I need to know.
I need to know, I need to see it. And you know, he responds and so there's that, but to kind of move it forward is be patient, be patient, because your heavenly father's patient with you. He's patient with me. Like we need to be patient and trust the process. Trust, you know, it's, I always say, celebrate the small wins because when the big ones come, you've already been able to see all that God's been doing in the...
throughout the process to leading into those big wins. Like for us, you know, the small wins, that first baptism that we had at our church, that was like the opening of like having people see, okay, God's here, God's in this. And now every time that we do baptism, it's like the first baptism in our church all over again. And, or that first, you know, that success story of, you know, a marriage being restored or a family coming to know Christ.
and we celebrate all that. So be patient, celebrate the small wins. Yeah, those two things is kind of what's kept me going. You know, I appreciate that God's been faithful in my personal life, but you know, my family, marriage, kids, everything's really strong. But in ministry, it's just been like, wow, God, like, you're amazing.
I've seen more people come to Christ than I have in like the last 14 years in ministry, like all in this last year and a half. I've seen more baptisms take place than I have my entire ministry career in this last year and a half. Yeah, it's just been, it's been a wild ride, but I can't say has it been without prayer, patience, and just celebrating all that, all the small, even the small things that God is doing.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (01:01:46.57)
Yeah. Amazing. Well, hey, I wonder if we could end with you giving a final word of encouragement to our listeners, our ministry leaders across the country who might be tuning in today. Why don't you take a moment and encourage them.
Danny Arevalo (01:02:03.938)
Yeah, honestly, like, I've always been the type of person like, whatever it is that I'm that I'm going through, you know, what seasons in life, the ebbs and flows, highs and lows, you know, God speaking, and, know, you'll see a lot of the preaching or the sermons kind of be formed of like, I guess is what God is, is leading me through in this season, and hopefully it resonates with people. So right now, you know, if there's anybody who's been struggling, contemplating,
giving up, I just want to encourage you to say, you know, keep going. Keep going. Keep trusting God, keep trusting in his promises. Keep trusting that, you know, he's sovereign, that he's in control and that he has a plan. And honestly, like in those moments where you feel defeated, just know that he's already overcome. Just know that he's already given you a great, great victory. And you might not see it yet. It may not make sense yet. But you know, that's the beauty is that
once you get through and you look back, you can see how far you've come. you know, it's something that even for myself, I need to repeat and really believe, you know, God's not done. God's not done. He's still writing your story. so to keep going, don't throw in the towel, you know, perseverance, keep walking, keep running, keep going, keep moving forward, keep your eyes fixed on the cross, because yeah, there's no better way. There's no other way, honestly. And so...
Yeah, hopefully that encourages someone because yeah, I definitely needed this past week and kind of just been this crazy season that we've been in. But I feel energized once I spend time in my prayer closet with the Lord and I just give it all to Him. And then He just says, know what, keep going, son, keep going, keep going.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (01:03:52.032)
Hmm. Amen. Good word. Good word. Danny Arevalo, thank you for joining us on Church in the North.
Danny Arevalo (01:04:02.2)
Thanks, thanks for having me, Rob. Appreciate it.
Dr. Rob Chartrand (01:04:04.415)
All right, we'll keep in touch.